I’ve now lived in Tromsø for two full northern lights seasons (late August to late March) and completely understand why Tromso northern lights tours are so popular. It’s certainly been magical getting to see the northern lights so often while living here. Sometimes I’ll be having a terrible day and grumpily take my dog Alfie out for a walk, but then I’ll look up and feel like the luckiest person in the world.
Quick Tromsø Travel Guide
Tromsø Accommodation: Thon Hotel Polar and Thon Hotel Tromsø across the street are both excellent options right in the city center, and the breakfast buffet is incredible. The fanciest hotel in town is the Clarion Hotel The Edge, which is right on the water and home to Tromsø’s only skybar. The best glass igloos near Tromsø are Aera Glass Cabins and Skulsfjorden Dome. I’ve written a full guide to the best Tromsø hotels here.
Tromsø Activities Hostel is a great option if you’re on a tight budget. And if you want your own apartment, this glass roof loft near the center looks incredible. I don’t recommend booking an Airbnb in Tromsø.
Top Tromsø Activities:
- Small group northern lights tour
- Northern lights sailing excursion
- Fjord cruise with a sauna/jacuzzi on board
- Boat/RIB whale watching tour
- Arctic dog sledding excursion
- Reindeer excursion
- Snowmobile tour
Tromsø car rental: Tromsø is surrounded by incredible nature, but public transport is sparse so I recommend renting a car, if you can. You can compare prices and book your Tromsø car rental at autoeurope.com.
Packing for Tromsø: You can find my winter packing guide for Norway here. In general I would say focus on practical outdoors clothing – people dress very casually here, even when going out at night. Don’t forget some warm sweaters, even in the summer!
When people ask me where in Norway to go to see the northern lights, I always recommend Tromsø first. Tromsø is a good place to see the northern lights because it lies so far above the Arctic Circle so the aurora activity is consistently high, but it’s also on the coast, which means that the temperatures are a lot warmer than other places this high above the Arctic Circle.
That said, there are some things to know if you are planning a Tromsø northern lights trip. Yes, we see the aurora a lot here, but downtown Tromsø isn’t the best place in Norway to see the northern lights, so if you want to see them you’ll need to take a northern lights tour in Tromsø, or drive out on your own. And if you want to know how to photograph the northern lights read my full guide here,
Ideally you want to be somewhere really dark, away from city lights to see the aurora. You can often still see the northern lights in the Tromsø city center, however whenever we get a really spectacular lights show here I secretly wish I were in the countryside where it would look even more incredible.
This is why a lot of people coming for the northern lights sign up for a Tromsø northern lights tour that will take them away from the city lights (and hopefully towards clear skies), which is a fantastic option. Then during the day you can explore downtown. Tromsø is a great little city with lots of cafes, galleries, museums, shops, restaurants, and bars to keep you interested when the northern lights aren’t out. I’ve shared a full guide for the best things to do in Tromsø here.
If you don’t want to sign up for a bunch of northern lights tours from Tromsø, you could also spend a few nights in the countryside. If you’re comfortable renting a car, I would consider flying into Tromsø and then leaving the city to stay somewhere darker.
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Best month to see the northern lights
And if you’re wondering when is the best time to see the northern lights in Tromsø, you will have good chances of seeing them from September to the beginning of April. Personally February and March are my favorite months for northern lights in Tromsø, because there’s snow on the ground and the sun has returned so you can enjoy your days a bit more as well. But if you hate the cold I definitely recommend visiting in September or October, as the weather is more tolerable for nights spent outside watching the sky.
Best Tromso northern lights tours
If you do choose to stay in Tromsø, you’ll definitely want to book at least a couple northern lights tours. In fact even when my parents visited me here I booked them on a tour instead of driving them out myself. Northern lights tours usually include heavy duty outdoor winter clothing, which is super helpful on those freezing cold nights, especially if you’re traveling from somewhere warmer. Guides are also in contact with each other so they can more effectively scout for the lights than you could on your own.
An added benefit of taking a northern lights tour is that most guides are trained in northern lights photography so usually the tour will include a photo of you under the northern lights (my parents were so pleased with the photos they got)! And tours also often include tripods so that you can try to take photos on your own camera too. While your phone can capture basic northern lights photos, you’ll need a tripod to take sharp northern lights photos because of the long exposures necessary in the dark.
There are so many northern lights tours running out of Tromsø, and to be honest they’re all pretty similar. I would just try to look for a long tour, where your guide will be willing to drive out to Sweden or Finland if necessary to find clear skies. And if your heart is really set on seeing the northern lights, I would absolutely book tours on multiple nights.
You can book northern lights tours on Manawa, GetYourGuide, or Viator. They all offer excellent and reliable service, but my personal favorite is Manawa as the tours tend to be a tiny bit cheaper through them and I love supporting a smaller company.
Get 10% off your Manawa tour with the code MANAWA (code valid until October 31)
These would be my top picks for the five best northern lights tours from Tromsø:
Cheapest Tromsø Northern Lights Tour
If you want the cheapest option for a northern lights bus chase, this 4 hour northern lights minibus tour is your best bet. It’s a bit cheaper than other tours because it only takes you to the neighboring island of Kvaløya to chase the northern lights, not all the way to Sweden or Finland if necessary. It’s also shorter than other more expensive tours.
I don’t think this is the very best tour option, but if you’re on a budget it’s still an excellent choice. You get a professional guide to find the best location to spot the northern lights, a warm thermal suit to wear, and tripods for your cameras.
You can cancel up to 4 days in advance for a full refund, and if the tour is canceled due to bad weather you can reschedule or get your money back.
Best Tromsø Northern Lights Tour
If you’re willing to spend a bit more money, this minibus tour would be ideal. This is the tour my parents did and they loved it.
This tour is the longest northern lights tour offered, lasting about 7 – 10 hours, and your guide will drive all the way to Finland if necessary to find clear skies. They provide a thermal suit, boots (for adults), a hot meal and beverages, and a campfire.
The guide will take professional photos of you under the northern lights.
You can cancel up to 24 hours in advance for a full refund, and if the tour is canceled due to bad weather you can reschedule or get your money back.
This all inclusive northern lights chase minibus tour is offered by a different company and isn’t quite as long but it’s cheaper. Personally I think it’s worth paying extra for the longer tour, because an hour or two can make all the difference between seeing the northern lights or not.
And if you want something more exclusive, this private tour is provides photos and a tripod to use and you get to have your own private tour!
Husky Northern Lights Excursion
Northern lights tours can definitely be a bit disappointing if you don’t manage to see the aurora, so I love the idea of doing a fun activity outside at night so you’ll have a chance of spotting the northern lights but also a great time even if you don’t see the aurora.
This evening husky visit looks so much fun and will give you lots of chances of seeing the northern lights. You’ll get to play with the huskies and then have dinner around a campfire while waiting for the northern lights to appear.
I wouldn’t recommend this as your only northern lights tour in Tromsø, as you’ll be staying in one location so you won’t have as high chances of seeing the northern lights as if you were chasing them in a bus. But the huskies are so much fun, so if you like dogs I would highly recommend this as a second tour for one of your other nights in Tromsø!
Reindeer sleigh ride under the Northern Lights in Tromsø
If dogs aren’t your thing, maybe you would prefer to hang out with some reindeer in Tromsø? This evening reindeer sleigh ride looks absolutely magical. I did the daytime version of this tour and loved it. Again, I wouldn’t recommend this as your primary northern lights tour in Tromsø, but this would be an excellent option as a second tour to book.
Northern lights sailing excursion
This northern lights sailing excursion is actually the cheapest northern lights tour in Tromsø.
Sailing is a big part of life in Tromsø – I even know some students here who live on sailboats to save money on rent. So this is a great opportunity to get out on the water while here! Your chances of seeing the northern lights will be a bit lower as skies tend to be clearer inland. And it’s hard to photograph the northern lights on a moving boat, because you need to keep your camera still for several seconds.
But if you’re lucky, seeing the northern lights dancing over the water is one of the most extraordinary experiences I’ve had!
I also highly recommend filling your days with other fun activities to ensure that you have the best visit to Tromsø, even if you end up unlucky and don’t get to see the northern lights.
Whale watching from Tromsø
From roughly November through January, you can see humpback whales and killer whales, or orcas, near Tromsø. The time they arrive does vary each year, as well as where you can see them. But luckily for you there are several Tromsø whale safari companies that send boats out to see the whales, wherever they may be (though of course whale sightings cannot be guaranteed).
If you want to stay on a warm boat the entire time, then this silent whale watching tour on an electric boat is perfect, and lasts around eight hours (depending on where the whales are) for optimal whale sighting chances.
And if you’re feeling adventurous and want to see the whales up close, this boat/RIB whale watching tour takes you to the whales on a boat but then you switch to a RIB when you’re near the whales.
Norway is also one of the only places in the world where you can snorkel with orcas and humpback whales! I snorkelled with humpback whales in the Comoros and it was incredible. This 4-day orca expedition looks truly epic.
Dog sledding in Tromsø
For best chances of snow I would do this in January, February, or March, but sometimes there will be enough snow on the ground in November and December for husky sledding. And then if there isn’t enough snow, some companies will take out carts with wheels instead.
There are lots of different husky sledding tours offered from Tromsø which you can find here, but I recommend going with the Tromsø Wilderness Center. I know several people who have adopted retired huskies from the Wilderness Center and they offer really great care to the dogs when they aren’t working.
This husky excursion is perfect for beginners. Or that one is sold out this dog sledding excursion two hours from Tromsø might have availability.
I’ve written more about dog sledding in Norway here.
Reindeer in Tromsø
One of the fun things about living in Tromsø is that there are a lot of reindeer roaming outside the city!
Of course the best way to see some reindeer is to visit a reindeer camp. This reindeer excursion takes you just 30 minutes from the Tromsø center to feed reindeer, learn about Sami culture, and even take a short reindeer sleigh ride. But personally I prefer this reindeer tour, which takes you out to the gorgeous Lyngen Alps. It is a bit longer of a drive but one of the most beautiful areas outside of Tromsø. I wrote more about my experience doing this tour here.
They also offer an evening reindeer sleigh ride where you’ll have the chance to see the northern lights.
Cross-country skiing
You can rent cross-country skis at Tromsø Outdoor right downtown (I believe rentals are 340 kroner for adults), but if you’ve never been on cross-country skis before you might prefer to go with a guide instead. This guided cross-country skiing Tromsø tour includes all the equipment, a ski lesson, hot drinks, and lunch.
Snowmobiling
Snowmobiling is incredibly popular here, and it’s certainly a lot of fun. If you want to experience snowmobiling for yourself there are a bunch of snowmobile tours offered out of Tromsø here.
Tromsø accommodation
Tromsø has so many wonderful hotels, so you’ll have lots of options here. I’ve stayed at the Thon Hotel Polar and loved it, and my parents usually stay at the Thon Hotel Tromsø across the street, which is just as wonderful.
But everyone I’ve asked in Tromsø seems to agree that the nicest hotel in town is the Clarion Hotel The Edge. The Edge is right on the water and is home to Tromsø’s only skybar. My parents have also stayed here and loved it. Check current rates and availability here
And then if you are willing to stay outside of Tromsø, here are my top picks for the best places to see the northern lights in Norway (some of which won’t require a car):
I’ve also gathered even more tips for your northern lights trip into an in depth ebook here. This covers all the necessities for planning a northern lights trip, going into much more detail than my blog posts.
Sommarøy & Kvaløya
If you want to spend some time in Tromsø but don’t mind renting a car, I recommend staying outside of the city and driving in for a visit during the day. This way you’ll be in the right place when the lights do come out, but you can still have a bit of city experience as well. You can compare prices and book your rental at autoeurope.com.
Kvaløya, the island next to Tromsø, is a wonderful option because it’s only about a half hour drive from Tromsø, but will have dark skies and beautiful landscapes perfect for northern lights viewing.
You could book a cabin here and then drive into Tromsø during the day, though you’ll probably want to spend most of your time here because it’s beautiful.
Or if you venture a bit farther you could stay on Sommarøy, which is absolutely stunning and one of my favorite places near Tromsø. The Sommarøy Arctic Hotel has a bunch of accommodation options for different budgets, including gorgeous seaside cabins. I’ve stayed here with my friend Samantha and dog Alfie and we had a great time.
Lyngen
The Lyngen Alps is my favorite mountain getaway from Tromsø and just so happens to be home to two of my favorite northern lights hotels in Norway: the glass igloos at North Experience Basecamp and the mini Aurora Fjord Cabins.
Read about my stay at the mini Aurora Fjord Cabins here.
Senja
When my friends wanted to plan a winter trip to Tromsø a few years ago I convinced them to go to the island of Senja instead. Senja has stunning mountains, lots of winter activities on offer, and it’s the perfect place to watch for the northern lights. Read more about our trip to Senja here.
Dyrøy
I hadn’t actually hear of the island of Dyrøy before my visit to Senja, but we decided to add it onto our itinerary and it ended up being my favorite part of our trip. Dyrøy has incredible mountain views, and the owners of the cabin we stayed at were so wonderful. Plus we got to soak in a hot tub under the northern lights.
Read more about visiting Dyrøy here.
Vesterålen & Lofoten
Vesterålen and Lofoten are two archipelagos about a six hour drive south of Tromsø. You won’t get the highest chances of seeing the northern lights here as the weather can be really crazy, but the landscape might be incredible enough to make up for that.
I would say that choosing Vesterålen or Lofoten for your northern lights trip will be a bit of a gamble, but the scenery is so beautiful and there’s so much to do here that you will definitely have an unforgettable trip, aurora or no aurora. Read more about visiting Vesterålen here and visiting Lofoten here.
Alta
Alta is a small city of about 19,000 people so it doesn’t have much light pollution, but it’s a big tourist hub for Arctic tours and activities so you’ll find a lot to do here when you aren’t watching the northern lights. This is great because there’s always a chance you’ll be unlucky with the aurora and not get to see any northern lights, but if you fill your days with other fun activities you’ll have an amazing trip regardless.
The best northern lights accommodation is somewhere with a clear roof or at least very big windows, so you can watch for the lights in comfort (and warmth!). This is why I really love Arctic Domes, and the Arctic Dome at Glød Explorer is perfect because you don’t even need a car to visit. You can fly into Alta and they’ll pick you up at the airport. Read more about staying at Glød Explorer here.
Arctic Dome in Kokelv
The Arctic Dome in Kokelv might just be my favorite place I’ve stayed on a northern lights trip in Norway. The dome is perfect for northern lights viewing – I actually had a lot of trouble going to sleep here because the lights kept appearing above my bed. The dome sits at the top of a hill so you’ll get a full, unobstructed view of the sky, and a stay here also comes with a Sami style turf house with a fully equipped kitchen, shower, and sauna.
Kokelv is about a two hour drive from Alta so you’ll definitely need a car for this one, so I do think that Glød Explorer in Alta is a more convenient option. Read more about staying at the Arctic Dome in Kokelv here.
Kirkenes
Kirkenes is one of my favorite towns in northern Norway. It’s right by the borders to both Finland and Russia, which I feel like gives it a really interesting vibe, but also offers excellent northern lights viewing opportunities because it’s easy to drive inland where the skies are usually less cloudy.
And you can even stay in an igloo hotel here!
Read more about visiting Kirkenes here.
Svalbard
And then if you want a true Arctic adventure, you have to go to Svalbard! Svalbard’s towns are the northernmost permanently inhabited spots on the planet (aside from a few research bases), and the archipelago is actually closer to the North Pole than to Oslo. Oh and Svalbard is one of the only places where you can see the daytime northern lights!
I was really surprised how easy it is to visit Svalbard – there are quite cheap flights from Oslo and Tromsø. Read more about planning a trip to Svalbard here.
Travel Center UK says
Thank you so much for this informative article 😉 Just asking out of curiosity how about a holiday to Iceland to view the northern lights? What do you think of Iceland?
Melissa says
I really like the idea of those long northern lights tours.
I mean, as well as seeing the northern lights I love the idea of travelling accross the artic to Sweden and Finland. I think, that is exciting me as much as the idea of seeing the northern lights.
Is it possible to walk from Tromsø airport to the city center or is it just a highway? I read it is only 4KM
Vaani says
Hey..
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I was looking for Places in Norway to travel and I got this article..
Very nice information..
Thanks
Chris says
I’m planning a trip to Tromsø and found this – my dog is also named Alfie 🙂 gave me a big smile!
Silvia says
What no way! I hope you enjoy Tromsø 😊
Joanna Alberti says
I’ve found this article most useful in planning our trip to Norway in the hope of seeing the Northern Lights and creating special family memories with my 12 year old son this December. What would you recommend for New Years Eve..Tromsø or Sommarøy Arctic Hotel or somewhere else?
Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Best wishes
Joanna
Silvia says
I would recommend Tromsø for New Year’s Eve! The fireworks are beautiful, and it’s a fun night out in the city.
Tirta Darma says
Hi Silvia, it is so informative what you wrote.
I am planing to visit Tromso on February 2023.
How big is the chance to see the northern lights ? And besides Tromso, I will visit Alta and Nordkap as well, is it possible to drive ? Since some of my frepiends say it is possible but have to do convoy with other cars and must check the schedule, is it true ?
Silvia says
If you’re in the north for a week you should have good chances of seeing the northern lights, especially if you take a couple of northern lights tours that will chase clear skies. You can absolutely drive to Alta and the North Cape as well. We only have to drive in a convoy if there’s a big snow storm, but that is quite rare, so you should be fine.
Carla Wrench says
This has been so helpful thank you. Have wanted to see the lights since I was little. Going to book Tromso end of January 23 for 4 nights and stay at Polar hotel recommended. My husband and I would love to spend one night in a glass dome – would this be possible? Where would you recommend if so?
Thank you
Silvia says
There are glass igloos at Lyngen North, which is a three hour drive from Tromsø. I think they can arrange transport if you’re not renting a car.
Pan says
Hey Silvia, I like your posts, they are so informative and helpful. I am in two minds and wonder if I will be able to see northern lights during End April period? I know the chances are really low but with the climate changes, I want to be a little hopeful but I hope you can provide your views on this? Thanks in advance!
Silvia says
No, it is too light at the end of April to see the northern lights – you can only see them when the sky is dark, which no longer happens by then.
Postcard Stories says
To me Tromso is one of the most beautiful cities in the world 🙂 I’ve spent there a great midnight-sun season, but I wasn’t successful to spot northern lights at least once when visiting during Winter 🙁 But I’ll keep visiting.
Lynn says
Hi Silvia,
Thank you, this has been so helpful for planning my visit in February.
If my first Northern Light chase isn’t successful I plan on booking another one. Do you think that it is possible to find a tour on short notice (for the next day or so) or will they be completely booked (doesn’t have to be the same company but should still be a reliable one)?
Thank you,
Lynn
Silvia says
February is a really busy time – sometimes all the hotels and restaurants in town book out too – so I would definitely book a tour in advance. A lot of them allow cancellation if necessary.
K says
Hi! You mention that AirBnB bookings fall through in Tromso…how often has this been happening. I have an AirBnB booked for February 2023 and am just reading your article *worry face*
Silvia says
Oh hmm I think it’s been happening a lot, but hopefully you’ll be fine. Or you could check if there’s anything available on Booking.com instead.
Debora says
Hi Silvia,
We could potentially travel to Tromso to see the Northern Lights for my husband’s birthday in October. We will be accompanied by our 15 month old daughter. Would this be a good idea ? Do you have any tips and tricks of traveling with a baby in that region?
Many thanks!
Ian Hart says
Hi Silvia
I am really inspired to travel to Norway after reading your blogs. I wonder if I could ask you to check our itinerary and recommend the most appropriate of your guides to support my brother and me for a trip in early March 2024.
• 1st Gatwick to Tromso gets in 23.40!
• Hire SUV at airport – we are experienced drivers
• Drive to Sommaroy? Or stay in Tromso in a cheap bed or sleep in SUV or drive to Lofoten area hoping to see the lights (440km – 6hrs?)
• 2nd Stay in Lototen links – 2/3 nights
• Tour Lototen, Reine, climb Reinebringen
• 4th Drive to Abisko – stay in STF Abisko Turiststation (300km 4.5hrs?)
• 5th Drive to Silsand – stay at Norwegian Wild (210km 3hrs?)
• 6th Drive to Alta – stay in Sorrisniva Igloo – (400km 6hrs?)
• 7th Holmen Husky lodge – Husky sledding
• 7th (2 nights min) Kokelv turf house
• Drive back to Tromso
• 11th 06.15 fly home
This leaves us a spare day should we stay in Lototen for 3 nights or somewhere else? We would really appreciate your thoughts before I book the flights.
Many thanks in advance
Ian
Silvia says
Sommarøy is a long drive from Tromsø, so I would stay your first night in Tromsø instead. I don’t think you will be able to climb Reinebringen in March yet as there will likely be snow – at least you definitely wouldn’t want to attempt the hike if there is snow. I would honestly skip Abisko – it’s too big of a detour and the drive isn’t that spectacular. Instead I would maybe stop through Vesterålen (https://www.heartmybackpack.com/norway/vesteralen-whales-reindeer/) on your way to Senja, or spend an extra night in Senja. The rest looks great, if you don’t mind the long drives!
Ian Hart says
Silvia
Thank you for getting back quickly. We will skip Abisko.
It’s a pity the ferry is not operating between Vesteralen and Senja in the winter. Also I would guess that its not be best time for whale watching. We will stay in Thon on your recommendation.
Which of your guides would be the most supportive on our trip?
Many thanks again
Ian
Silvia says
My Northern Norway and Northern Lights guides would both be helpful. If going with just one I’d choose the Northern Lights guide: https://heartmybackpack.gumroad.com/
Barbara Cooper says
Hi Silvia,
Could you please recommend how to go about finding a rental property near Tromso, perhaps not
in Tromso itself – for a week or so. An agency??
Thank you,
Barbara
Shwee says
Hi Silvia. I have booked the Lyngen North before reading your article! Have you stayed at the Lyngen North? May I know if there is a high chance to see the northern lights at around Nov/Dec?
Thank you!
Silvia says
Yes I’ve stayed at Lyngen North many times! It’s very beautiful there, and November/December is a great time to see the northern lights. I hope you will have clear skies and get to see them!
Massimo says
Hello Silvia, awesome article!
Is there any chance of actually seeing any northern lights in June? Asking because I am planning a trip to Tromso with my friends for the Midnight Sun marathon next year and we’ll probably only have about 4 days in Tromso so I have to choose wisely… Wondering what the best activities would be to make the best out of our time there!
Thanks so much and have a great day!
Silvia says
You can only see the northern lights when the sky is dark, and the sun is up all day and night in June, so there’s no way to see the northern lights. It’s a wonderful time to visit though! I’ve shared all my Tromsø tips here: https://www.heartmybackpack.com/norway/things-to-do-in-tromso/
Alphabet says
This place is my dream destination. I have no words to express this…..beauty
Ian Hart says
Hi Silvia
We are really looking forward to starting our tour in Tromso in 2 days (14th August 2023 post). I have just tried to download the https://www.tinacinc.com/AuroraForecast/ app (for Android) but it seems that the app has not been updated for newer versions of the operating system (V14). Can you recommend another app?
Many thanks in advance
Ian
Karen Cross says
Big thank you, Silvia, for such an informative article. I will definitely get your e-book before we visit Norway. Planning on a short trip with husband Feb 2025, but wondering whether you would recommend a tour agency to do an all-inclusive short trip to see Northern Lights, husky-sledging, etc etc or whether you would recommend buying our own flights and arranging the hotel and all the activities ourselves ourselves? Many thanks, Karen
Silvia says
I think you should be fine booking the flights hotel and activities yourself. Just make sure to book everything well in advance, as northern lights season is very busy and everything does book up.
Ritesh Gupta says
Hi Silvia,
Quite an informative article, really helped us clear a lot of doubts. It’s my wife’s b’day in November, and so we were wondering if it is a good time to plan a trip to Norway to witness the northern lights. Have been reading that it is cloudy during Nov and it can be difficult to spot the lights? How true do you suggest that is?
Silvia says
The weather in Norway is always changing, so there is truly no month with better chances of clear skies. My advice is to book a tour that will drive you for hours in search of clear skies. I think November is a great time to visit!
Emily says
Do you have any information or recommendations on Northern Lights tours from Tromso that are for 2 guests only? My husband suffers from motion sickness and I understand if we go on a group tour he can’t be guaranteed a front seat for the drive.
Silvia says
Yes, then you’ll want to take a private tour. I think this one is best: https://www.heartmybackpack.com/private-northern-lights-tour-tromso
Courtney says
Silvia, thank you for all this information! We are planning to go end of September to Tromso. We are wondering if you know of any reindeer experiences during that time of the year? All of the ones we can find are only offered in the winter time. TIA!!
Silvia says
Hmm the reindeer are still roaming free at that time, so you’ll likely see them wandering around the roads. I’m not sure any places will have them inside yet in September, so you might not be able to do an organized experience then.